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February 8, 2010

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David Horowitz can't seem to get into Saint Louis University no matter how hard he tries.

Six months ago, the university blocked a student organization from bringing Horowitz to the university for one of his talks about "Islamo-fascism." Horowitz is a conservative critic of higher education as well as a wide range of other sectors of society. The university said at the time that it didn't want Horowitz to talk on campus in a way that could be divisive (as many of Horowitz's critics have said his talks on Islam tend to be). Students also reported that they were told by university administrators that they didn't want Horowitz speaking without someone who would offer contrasting views.

Horowitz believes that the university is trying to keep him off campus no matter what -- and he's trying to call the university's bluff. Working with students at the university, he's now proposed a new topic for his appearance (academic freedom) and he's willing to appear with someone who will disagree with him in a debate (Cary Nelson, national president of the American Association of University Professors and a strong critic of Horowitz).

Again, however, the university is refusing to allow the event to take place. This time, according to an account posted by Horowitz on his Web site, the university is demanding that a third speaker be added to represent Roman Catholic values, given the university's religious ties. Horowitz says that this requirement for a Catholic perspective is hypocritical, given that the university holds many events that aren't from a Catholic perspective. He cited a recent program on "Living a Muslim Life in a Not-So-Muslim World."

A university spokesman declined repeatedly to discuss details of the institution's response to the proposed Horowitz-Nelson debate.

The spokesman said that the university was "not in direct discussions with Mr. Horowitz," but was talking to students and helping them "achieve their goals." Asked if the university was in fact telling the students that they could bring Horowitz and Nelson to campus only if they also had someone representing Catholic views, the spokesman said that "among other things, having a Catholic perspective was part of the discussion."

He also said: "Saint Louis University has a long history of encouraging a diversity of ideas, opinions and voices on its campus. Any suggestion to the contrary is simply not true."

In an interview, Nelson confirmed that he had agreed to appear with Horowitz. While Nelson has criticized many of Horowitz's views, he has defended his right to appear on campuses and criticized Saint Louis when it barred Horowitz last year.

Nelson believes that colleges should not force student groups who bring controversial speakers to campus to also bring someone with an opposing view, but he said he was fine appearing at Saint Louis University because Horowitz wanted to propose a debate format. He said the university was wrong to require yet another speaker to join them.

"I think what the university is now trying to do is not so much offensive as completely ludicrous," he said, saying that Saint Louis was acting "as if the keystone cops" were in charge of academic freedom.

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Comments on Still Banned at Saint Louis U.

  • David who?
  • Posted by Diogenes on February 8, 2010 at 8:00am EST
  • Wasn't the expiration date on his relevance stamped "2004"?

  • David Horowitz
  • Posted by Steven Lehar , Independent Researcher at American Gestallt Institute on February 8, 2010 at 9:15am EST
  • David Horowitz! Yes, he is very good! He started as a liberal himself, but came to see the hypocracy of PC in academia, and is now an eloquent critic of liberalism in all its ugly forms. No wonder they try to ban his way of thinking from academic discussion! Academia is liberal because it lives off the government nipple, so of course it favors liberal policies. But it is shameful that they no longer tolerate opposing views!

  • Fear of the Truth Is Crippling
  • Posted by USCitizensofGenerationsStandUp , retired International Student Advisor at U of P on February 8, 2010 at 10:30am EST
  • What is "truth?"
  • Posted by Fred Flener , Retired on February 8, 2010 at 2:00pm EST
  • Can we stop using "truth" whenever we posit our opinion? I have opinions, Horowitz has opinions, Nelson has opinions, even USCitizens... have opinions. Why have our personal opinions become "true" and every one else "lies?" (At least they might say our opinions are false, not claim we are deliberately telling this "falsehood.")

  • Keep Him Out!
  • Posted by Viper on February 8, 2010 at 2:00pm EST
  • I fully support this ban. When Horowitz came to my campus a few years due to the machinations of a right-wing academic, he did not choose to engage in any rational discussion of his arguments but instead began a rabble-rousing discourse attacking faculty who were supposedly highly paid. Not at this institution. Until he learns how to behave himself when invited to these functions, he should be kept outside and isolated like any mad dog with rabies until a cure is found, if any.

  • Horowitz
  • Posted by wiser1 on February 8, 2010 at 3:00pm EST
  • What has happened to free speech? No wonder people are leaving the Catholic Church! If I had a student at St Louis University I take them out of school. I see a law suit, and a boycott of anything that has to to with Chafitz Arena.

  • Posted by mb on February 8, 2010 at 3:15pm EST
  • <i>""Saint Louis University has a long history of encouraging a diversity of ideas, opinions and voices on its campus. Any suggestion to the contrary is simply not true."</i>

    Really? SLU may have a long history of encouraging a diversity of ideas, but apparently not any more. Sadly, this is typical of the contemporary PC academy.

    To me it's quite clear that the Emperor has no clothes.

  • David Horowitz
  • Posted by Cat on February 8, 2010 at 3:15pm EST
  • This is exactly why I left the Catholic Church. First to have an avid abortion rights obama at Notre Dame then to deny a critic of left wing bias a right to speak. Sorry libs but you wouldn't know truth or fairness if it kicked you in your screwball behinds. Stop dropping your envelopes in that basket and I promise you they might just give Mr. Horowitz a forum.

  • David Horowitz
  • Posted by William Calin at University of Florida on February 8, 2010 at 4:15pm EST
  • A number of years ago, David Horowitz participated in a debate at the University of Florida. He was superb. And he made an utter fool out of a dull, drab Law School faculty member who vied with him. Since then, I disagree with many of Horowitz's stands. However, I agree wholeheartedly with his and Cary Nelson's commitment to academic freedom and freedom of expression. In my opinion, this is the major question we academic face today. PC by definition stifles debate and the free flow of ideas. That a major Catholic institution should fall into the trap is sad. Holy Church deserves better.

  • David Horowitz
  • Posted by Teacher's Paddle , English Prof. on February 8, 2010 at 6:00pm EST
  • Save yourself the money. Horowitz was highly compensated for a lecture around 2004 that I attended at a small New England college. The large audience of students and faculty were respectful and eager to listen and to be challenged. (Actually, the students were far better behaved than the faculty.) He was rambling, incoherent, with straw-man examples drawn from the mid 1970s. The conservative students' were even taken aback, confronting him during his talk on his poor support, clarity, and logic. So while the ideological opposition to bringing him to campus is troubled, it is a wise financial decision.

    Surely the right must have a more eloquent spokesperson for academic freedom...

  • Really
  • Posted by Roger Mortimer on February 8, 2010 at 10:15pm EST
  • Teachers Paddle and Viper - whatever happened to principle of free discourse? Ok. You think Horowitz is unpersuasive and narrow minded, or whatever. You may be right. But that is the point, isn't it? If he is indeed those things. then invite him on campus, let him speak, and let him fail in the marketplace of ideas. If he is what you say he is, that will happen. But why censor him? What is it that you are afraid of? Really, the academic echo chamber can easily handle David Horowitz, can't it?

    And surely, there has to be a better reason to censor him than sneering condescension, which is all one can distill from your posts.

  • Offensive!
  • Posted by Bob on February 9, 2010 at 8:45am EST
  • As a "son of Pennylvania" I find your disparaging use of "Keystone Cops" to be offensive. Stop it I say immediately.

    On the other hand Mr. Horowitz has displayed a penchant for humorous dialogue...perhaps it is....naaahh!

    Perhaps we need an English Bobby instead..."right, what's all this then?"

  • SLU's Mascot
  • Posted by Ashley Thorne at www.nas.org on February 9, 2010 at 10:15am EST
  • Did you know that Saint Louis University's mascot is the Billiken? If you, like us at first, have no clue what a Billiken is, check out the NAS's article on the original story: "Horowitz vs. Islamo-Billikenism." http://www.nas.org/polArticles.cfm?doctype_code=Article&doc_id=1040