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January 20, 2010

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A group seen to have pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic sympathies could soon be booted from the University of Oregon’s student union building, if not the campus altogether.

Meetings of the Pacifica Forum, a group that on its Web site describes itself as offering “information and perspective on the issues of war and peace, militarism and pacifism, violence and non-violence,” have been held in the Eugene institution’s Erb Memorial Union for years.

But it was news of a “Sieg Heil” salute, performed at a Dec. 11 meeting advertised as “An Insider’s View of America’s Radical Right” and led by a member of the National Socialist Movement, that has driven students to protest and administrators to reconsider the policy that lets Pacifica meet on campus in the first place.

While Pacifica has faced plenty of criticism since its founding in the early 1990s by now 94-year-old Orval Etter, an associate professor emeritus, the Nazi salute and the rest of the content of that meeting have galvanized students to speak out against what the group's members are saying and where they’re saying it.

“It’s not a new situation,” said Charles Martinez, Oregon's vice president of institutional equity and diversity. “They’ve been meeting on campus for a long period of time.” The difference, he said, is that the group’s meetings have begun to include “a lot of very overt hateful comments and gestures that have gotten to students to the point where they felt the need to take action.”

A few days after students returned from winter break, a few dozen students and community protesters sat in on the forum’s Jan. 8 meeting. By the group’s next meeting, on Jan. 15, a crowd of 300 interrupted a scheduled debate on the symbolism of the swastika, estimated the Daily Emerald, the student newspaper

In the week between those two meetings, Devon Schlotterbeck, a sophomore, founded a Facebook group to rally protesters. Most of the nearly 2,000 members of the group, “UofO students and community members against the Pacifica Forum,” appear to be students or alumni. Another protest is scheduled for Friday, to coincide with a Pacifica meeting on “Neo-Communism and the Anti-Hate Task Force,” a group that organized in opposition to Pacifica.

On its Web site, Pacifica described the Jan. 15 session as a "meeting on 'The Symbolism of the Swastika' (the point being that the swastika is a symbol in diverse cultures, not just Nazism)" that garnered so many protesters because, "by this time, Facebook had been employed to spread disinformation about the Forum, and hundreds turned out to protest."

Administrators, Martinez said, face the “dilemma that on the one hand we believe and hold very close this idea that institutions of higher education like ours and others must be a bastion of free speech, while at the same time engaging in scholarly review and … true academic inquiry.”

Pacifica is able to use campus space for its event because of Etter’s affiliation with the university, under a policy that gives retired faculty and staff access to certain facilities and services. Provost James C. Bean and other academic leaders are now “undertaking a very careful consideration of those policies and practices,” Martinez said. “They’re tackling a narrow set of issues: free use of space by retired professors and university employees.”

Emma Kallaway, president of the Associated Students of the University of Oregon, said her group, the student government, respects that privilege but hopes to see the meetings moved out of the student union. “The EMU is home to groups like the Women’s Center, the Black Student Union and the LGBTQA,” she said. “It’s supposed to be a place where students can build a community, feel safe, but it’s not with a group like this meeting there.”

Though Schlotterbeck said she and other student activists “started off mostly protesting the use of a room in the student union since they’re not a student group,” many now hope to “preferably get them off the campus entirely.” Members of Pacifica may not be violent and may wish no harm to Oregon’s students, she said, “but bringing in people who have ties to a very violent organization, giving those people a legitimate reason to be here, seems not to make sense" -- referring to the National Socialist Movement.

The issue “is not telling them that they can’t exist or can’t have the right to exist -- it’s more about use of a space rather than blocking their freedom of speech,” she added. “There’s nothing against people trying to stop other people from saying things just by speaking out.”

Kallaway said that Pacifica’s movement toward “pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic messages in the last few years has made students feel unsafe, like they can’t go to class and study in the EMU if these groups are there.” That, she said, “is not at all okay from a student government perspective.… We were elected to keep students safe, to fight for their interests.”

Richard Lariviere, the university’s president, lauded the protest movement in a Monday speech marking Martin Luther King Jr. Day. “I am intensely proud of the students and the community and the way they stood up to that hateful speech,” he said, referring to last week’s demonstration.

Martinez said he was proud to see “our students exercising their free thinking and speech in response to events that have clearly been hate mongering, as I’ve seen for myself at events I’ve attended.”

But Michael A. Olivas, a law professor at the University of Houston and director of the university’s Institute of Higher Education Law and Governance, said the student protesters approached the situation in the wrong way. “While I applaud their enthusiasm, the students took the bait,” he said. “This group wanted attention and by protesting, the students have now given national press to an issue that wouldn’t otherwise be getting attention.”

Had students opted to organize a debate of their own or some other kind of “rationed, reasoned, arm's-length discussion,” they would have brought scrutiny to Pacifica but done so in a way that “didn’t play into the hands of the bad guys.”

While events where “violence is genuinely and legitimately urged” could justifiably be forced off campus, Olivas said, “that does not seem to be the case here.”

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Comments on Issue of Space, Not Speech

  • they have got to be kidding
  • Posted by mqs73@yahoo.com on January 20, 2010 at 7:15am EST
  • The swastika is passed off as a good luck sign or something--well, maybe in very very ancient history. I will not listen to any neo-Nazi about how--in pre-historic times--the swastika was a fertility sign, or something else, in Egypt, or among the Aztecs, or anywhere in the world. We all know what it means NOW. Take it off campus. Take it away, period. It is evil.

  • Pushing buttons
  • Posted by Greg McColm , Mathematics & Statistics at University of South Florida on January 20, 2010 at 10:15am EST
  • The West has been obsessing over the swastika ever since WW2, with mixed results. The problem is that it's ubiquitous -- one theory is that the design will be noticed once a society learns basket-weaving, which would explain why it's been all over the globe for eons. After WW2, some of the western powers replaced swastikas in iconography with other symbols, but in the East, where the swastika is a common cultural (and religious!) symbol, there is less enthusiasm for tossing an old acquantance just because some mad westerner tacked it on his flag.

    Meanwhile, adolescents have discovered that they can freak out their elders by displaying it prominently, with the result that adolescents are freaking out their elders by displaying it prominently. The moral substance of this generational squabbling seems a bit thin.

    It's been over six decades since Never Forgive, Never Forget, Never Again. And what is most shameful is not that young people are forgiving or even forgetting. It is the sequence of miniature Holocausts that drift across the pages of our newspapers -- at this moment, we're wringing our hands over the Sudan -- and we seem unable to do much about it.

    Well, we may not be able to do much about mass murder today, but by gum we can make people more respectful of mass murders past. That will make us feel better.

  • A simple solution
  • Posted by Gus03phd on January 20, 2010 at 12:00pm EST
  • Require that any professor, retired or not, requesting space also be in attendance. If health is a problem, then put a speakerphone there to ensure that someone with academic credentials is actually there.

    Otherwise, if the space is not being used at all, then let idiots say their idiotic things in a government-owned building, because they are taxpayers, too.

    Some won't like this, but I don't want to become one of those European countries that tries to outlaw idiotic, anti-Semitic, racist thought and speech. Best to flush them out in the open so that they can see the people rallied against them.

  • free speech issues
  • Posted by Cathy Castillo on January 20, 2010 at 4:15pm EST
  • As a student at the University of Oregon in he '60s,I witnessed the creation of the Free Speech Platform built in front of the Erb memorial student union after an episode when a group of frat boys threw eggs at Homer Tomlinson, an odd duck who wanted to crown himself King of the World. The platform subsequently became a poor man's Hyde Park corner. Later that year, after a group of faculty members assembled to read Alan Ginsberg's poem Howl (was it porn or literature?) the students swallowed hard and gathered to hear Gus Hall, the chairman of the American Communist Party, speak. I thought Tomlinson was a nut and Hall had the charisma of a clam, but I was proud of the idea that the student body could be open minded enough to accept the fact that universities are place where many points of view get discussed and debated but not necessarily endorsed.

  • Anti-Hate Task Force vs. freedom of speech
  • Posted by Jay Knott , Critical Theory at University of Luton on January 21, 2010 at 2:15pm EST
  • 'A group seen to have pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic sympathies' - 'seen to have'? What does that mean? It means someone is saying the group has those sympathies! It's a lie - I know this group; it doesn't have any party line, it's open to left-wingers and all sorts of people. None of the regulars are pro-Nazi. The 'anti-semitism' line means... well you know what it means... some of the Forum people have mildly criticized Israel for dropping bombs on civilians.

    Its opponents are lying when they say they don't feel safe. They have been invited to speak at Forum meetings. If the Forum goes, it will be a sad day for academic freedom. http://pacificaforum.org

  • the swastika in history
  • Posted by Barry Sommer on January 22, 2010 at 2:00pm EST
  • To mqs73@yahoo.com,

    By your comment on the swastika you have slapped in the face 3 billion people, and insulted the Dali Lama as his official symbol is the swastika. How about an apology for those you so easily scorn? Or is there no responsibility for your words?

    I thought so.

  • 'Mildly', my foot!
  • Posted by Paul Bessemer , Executive Director at Oregon Hillel on January 24, 2010 at 9:45pm EST
  • Jay et al.,
    I'm a resident of Eugene, have taught a number of classes at the UO and have attended PF gatherings occasionally for the past 6 years or so (4-5 dozen over the years, I'd say), initially out of curiosity, but later as part of a group that monitors them. I'm always conflicted as to how to classify them or what to do with them. Of the 15 or so regulars, I wouldn't feel confident calling more than 5-6 antisemites (but I do feel quite confident about them). That said, a friend and fellow monitor put together a comprehensive, multi-year study showing that about 30-35% of their presentations tend to have anti-Jewish or anti-Israel themes (and in both of which regulars make loud, snide and often vehement comments to any who counter these claims). As much hatred as I've felt from some members over the years, my overriding sense is one of unremitting boredom: bad ideas, poorly researched and poorly presented. Until he became too ill to attend, founder Orval Etter would often open the weekly presentation, like Daniel Shorr's less-intelligent brother, with 15-30 minutes of rambling recollections about some aspect of recent history peppered with snide insinuations about persons of Jewish extraction and their malignant role in whatever event he was discussing at the moment. You could see the agony and irritation even on the faces of those who agreed with him.
    As a result, I only go out of a sense of duty to the monitoring group to which I belong: I assume that all other volunteer monitors also feel that they are wasting their Friday afternoons, and it's only fair to carry my share of the water and relieve them now or then.

    But back to the free speech issue. Should they be able to say largely whatever they want? I believe so, but the questions that come to mind are:
    1. Does/should the UO have to provide a platform for it? Ultimately, I suppose that's for the UO to figure out.
    2. Although I haven't heard nastiness from the mouths of many of the regulars, I wonder: why do they come back, week-after-week if they don't buy this stuff? Do they really feel that this is the only bastion of free speech left in freethinking and freaky Eugene? Hearing about Jewish control of the Flying Butt-Monkeys from outer space, hateful anti-Jewish diatribes and arguments for the Flat Earth may be an acknowledgment of free speech...but is this a venue that ever produces 'productive' or 'illuminating' free speech, or just a soap box for ranters? Are they going to expose themselves to fresh or interesting ideas, or just to confirm previously held opinions and/or prejudices? I have to admit, over the years I haven't seen much evidence for the former....

  • Too 'mildly'
  • Posted by Jay Knott on January 27, 2010 at 9:45am EST
  • Paul Bessemer (above) (above) (above) (above) (above) (above) (above) (above) (above) amalgamates anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli - to him they are the same thing. For him, if I think creating a racially-exclusive state by driving out the existing inhabitants is a bad thing, I'm a racist. There's a word in Yiddish for such overwhelming hypocrisy.

    Mr. Bessemer is the head of an organization which promotes ethnic cleansing - 'birthright Israel' - using our money. Shouldn't Pacifica Forum be 'monitoring' HIM, rather than the other way round? Would the Forum be allowed to go to the next Lobby meeting and watch out for American interests? No - they'd scream anti-Semitism and mobilize their lefties.

    As for the Forum being 'boring' - not any more, it isn't!

  • Response to Jay Knott from Planet Earth
  • Posted by Paul Bessemer , Executive Director at Oregon Hillel on January 30, 2010 at 3:30pm EST
  • Jay,
    your claim that I 'amalgamated anti-Jewish & anti-Israeli' is partially correct. The fact is, the anti-Israeli presentations I've heard over the course of the past 6 years (long before you showed up at PF, I might add) were often (not always) presented by people who both within the course of their presentation or at other times have openly professed themselves to be 'antisemites' and have expressed views of Jews as a whole--not Israel, not 'the Jewish Lobby'--that are as nasty, racist (the fact that Jews aren't a race doesn't seem to bother them), and hateful as anything found in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Israel is not, has never been, nor did it either attempt or succeed at it creating a 'racially-exclusive' [sic] state. It has a larger population of Eastern Jews than European Jews. It has a percentage of persons of sub-Saharan African origin (and no, I'm not referring to South African Jews) that rivals that of the US. More than 25% of the population is not Jewish. Some 20% of the population is Muslim.

    Furthermore, since I didn't make any accusations of racism in my previous message, your whole argument is peculiar: you're setting up a straw man and putting words into my mouth. Either that or you're making a Freudian slip. Judging from your message as a whole, I honestly can't tell.

    To claim that I'm the 'head of an organization that promotes ethnic cleansing - birthright Israel - that uses our money' speaks reams about your own delusional state. The organization that I currently head has the position of supporting the EXISTENCE of the State of Israel, and its statement on the issue, in its current form, is quite similar to that of UNSCR 242. If by believing that the State of Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish homeland in ANY form (regardless of its borders and ethnic/religious/racial makeup) is support for ethnic cleansing, well, more the fool you. Moreover, you put yourself in opposition to general world consensus, the UN, and I wonder what you think about the right of the US, the various Arab states, most of Eastern Europe, Russia, India, Pakistan and most of the countries of Africa to exist.

    Wanna go to the next 'Lobby' meeting? (I assume that you're referring to AIPAC, but since your whole response is so nasty and based on arguing points that reflect your own world view, not issues I brought up, I'm not entirely sure...) Become a member and show up. I'm not a member and have never been to one of their meetings, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works. But if whining about your oppression and persecution helps you get through the day better than actually testing such propositions, then by all means...
    Once again, you put in people's mouths your own thoughts. No one called you a racist or an antisemite-- apart from you yourself

    FYI: I am hoping to host both AIPAC and J-Street representatives at Hillel in the near future, Jay, so feel free to use that information as proof of what you consider my/Hillel's evil intent.