Aug. 25

Want to Lower the Drinking Age? Hope You Like Spam

The Amethyst Initiative — a pledge by over 100 college presidents to publicly re-examine the wisdom of keeping the national drinking age at 21 — generated noticeable buzz in the media last week, as students and parents gawked at the apparent novelty of higher education leaders agreeing with teenagers that yes, if they had their way, beer and liquor would be easier, not harder, for legal adults to procure.

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As is typically the case with movements that seek to ease restrictions on alcohol, one of the first groups to challenge the initiative was Mothers Against Drunk Driving. MADD’s pushback began, like Amethyst’s, as a media blitz. Beyond the typical press releases and statements from spokesmen, though, it followed the strategy of many interest groups and political action committees by encouraging concerned citizens to write letters to college presidents listed as signatories to the initiative.

Lots of letters. Lots of electronic letters.

At MADD’s Web site, any visitor can enter his or her name and address into a form that will automatically send a ready-made e-mail message to all of the Amethyst signatories. As a result, presidents have reported receiving hundreds of the same message, urging them to “disengage from the list of signatories and to instead join MADD and our partners in the public health community in saving lives and supporting the 21 Minimum Legal Drinking Age.”

Included in the form letter are statistics on public support for the current drinking age, and a bullet point that says: “More than half say they are less likely to vote for a state representative who supports lowering the legal limit or send their children to colleges or universities with ‘party school’ reputations.”

Starting late Thursday, Dickinson College president William Durden began receiving hundreds of the same message, to the point where there was “interference, but a manageable one,” said Christine Dugan, the college’s director of media relations.

The New York Times reported late last week that already two presidents, under public pressure, had rescinded their names from the list of signatories. John McCardell, the former president of Middlebury College who spearheaded the Amethyst effort, said he was aware of the campaign but didn’t believe it was having the desired effect: Contrary to the presidents of Morehouse College and Georgia Southwestern State University, he said, 20 others have since added their names to the list.

Laura Dean-Mooney, MADD’s national president, said in an interview that the group was “encouraging the public to act by e-mailing their presidents” and “exercising their right in speaking out.” She cited one parent whose e-mails to the Spelman College president at first elicited only form letters, but who persisted until she finally received a personal response.

Both sides of the debate gain efficiency by using form letters, Dean-Mooney said, but ultimately they “encourage dialogue with some persistence on both sides.”

She added: “We’re certainly not trying to tie up their e-mail inboxes, that’s certainly not the point.”

— Andy Guess

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Comments

How is this spam?

A group of college presidents takes a public stand on a controversial issue, and one of the nation’s best-known nonprofits, dedicated to advocating the opposite stance on this controversial issues, mobilizes its membership and mounts a letter writing campaigns. This is not “spam.” This is a foreseeable consequence.

Mike, at 8:55 am EDT on August 25, 2008

Stick with it Presidents

Lowering the 21 drinking age should be looked at. Do these same people want to raise the voting age, smoking age, and the age to enlist in the military to 21 also? Let’s get some consistancy.

It has become almost impossible to have a logical debate on any issue in this country. Let’s have some debate instead of just going bonkers because something goes against a groups ideas.

As for MADD, they are starting to become like PETA and the ACLU. A group that started with tremendous intent, but now seems to go overboard with any issue related to their cause.

As for the Presidents that signed the proposal, stick with it. You must have agreed with it to sign it. There are many people that support you. We just aren’t as loud as MADD, but we’re here.

Bill, at 10:10 am EDT on August 25, 2008

Lower Drinking age

Interestingly enough, we took our fouth but not last son to his freshman dorm this last weekend and this was a subject of conversation. Overwhelmingly, parents agreed this was a thinnly-veiled attempt on part of college presidents to remove the drinking problem from their responsibilities list. Disgusted was the way most parents felt. I offer a solution. Raise the eligibility to fight in a war to 21 years.

J Soller, at 2:30 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

I applaud those who have chosen to take on this difficult topic. We need to allow parents the opportunity to instruct their children legally on how to comsumme or not to consume alcoholwhile they are under roof. The consequences of not allowing the drinking age to be 18 have been many and these Presidents are trying to shed light on these unintended consequences with hard core facts.

Anne, at 2:30 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Mike, spam is spam regardless of the motivation for doing it. It sounds like you are making excuses for MADD’s uncivilized behavior. Harassment is not an acceptable means of discourse, and MADD’s easy to use web form email is calculated to harass.

Kenneth, at 3:14 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

sloughing off the problem?

As a faculty member at a signatory college, I am proud that our president signed on to this initiative. As someone who worked for six years overseeing a first-year living/learning program, I’m deeply aware of the role that alcohol plays on college campuses. Believe me, the desire to lower the drinking age is not a matter of wanting to pass the problem on to someone else.

To the contrary. With a lowered age, we can actually help students avoid high-risk alcohol use by making it available in more controlled setting and ones where faculty and staff can drink socially with them. This not only discourages them from over-drinking, it gives us a chance to model the mature, responsible use of alcohol. If anything, lowering the drinking age enables colleges to better combat the real problem: high-risk drinking. Right now, we can’t legally do precisely what would make the most sense.

The problem is not alcohol use per se, but high-risk dangerous use, which is dramatically enhanced by the age 21 law. Unfortunately MADD seems more interested in being the equivalent of conservative “abstinence-only” sex “educators.” It doesn’t work with sex and it won’t work with alcohol.

The conversation these presidents are calling for is one we desperately need — too many college students are dying and ruining their college careers by drinking too heavily because they have to do it behind closed doors.

Steven Horwitz, St. Lawrence University, at 3:14 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

College presidents see first hand and cope every day with the nightmare of unintended consequences caused by the 21 drinking age. I suspect almost every college president would say that he or she spends more time on this issue than any other affecting student life. Far from avoiding responsibility, the Amethyst Initiative presidents are exercising responsibility and leadership in calling for a national conversation on the 21 drinking age. What a shame that MADD acts as if this is just another interest group battle calling for the usual political tactics, instead of joining in meaningful consideration of an important issue.

Parent, at 3:31 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Consistancy

I would support MADD’s position if they were to support all of the following:

1) People younger than 21 cannot be drafted into the military. 2) People younger than 21 cannot enter into binding contracts 3) People younger than 21 are exempt from having to pay taxes on income 4) People younger than 21 cannot be tried as adults in criminal cases.5) People younger than 21 cannot vote in elections.

The problem with a drinking age of 21 is that it is inconsistent with the definition of the rights and responsibilities of being an adult. It is this logical inconsistency that is unacceptable.

Kurt, at 3:51 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Spam?

Mike said: “This is not “spam.” This is a foreseeable consequence.”

- — -

These are not mutually exclusive. What MADD generated was foreseeable spam.

When you motivate your membership to contact influential or involved people and engage in discourse with them in order to either learn or teach, you have done something useful and intellectually sound.

When you encourage your membership to “type your name here” so that thousands of members can cause tens of thousands of instances of the exact same e-mail to be computer-generated-and-sent to multiple recipients, you are spamming. You convey no message apart from the sheer number of e-mails that you can cause to be sent. The e-mail might as well simply say “yeah, whatever SHE said!”

bobby b, at 3:51 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Who’s Mad?

While I can see the point of allowing under 21 year olds to served in certain licensed service establishments (e.g., restaurants, campus functions) where pass-offs are controlled, those who think that availing 18+ year olds of cash and carry service at package stores is integral to the solution to the current binge drinking problem are themselves completely MAD.

I don’t see the MADD campaign as SPAM either.

edh, at 3:51 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

How bout this?

Keep 21 as the age for purchasing such beverages, but remove the penalties for 18 year olds possession or consumption. Kinda like a drinking “learners permit". Parents can see how their kids deal with consumption first hand and provide guidance as warranted.

21 yr old requirement hasn’t been in place all that long (25-30 yrs?).

Jeff Mitchell, at 3:51 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Teeter-Totter paradigm: Nannies vs. Marines

Social theory suggests we should raise the drinking age to 30 and lower the age for military service to 15. The ensuing anger would create a mean, lean fighting machine.

Next, we should mandate two tiers of membership in MADD, one for nannies over 45 and one for young adults between 18 and 24. Policy papers of the two factions to be decided for national adoption solely by the vote of those serving in the military (see above).

While we are at it, let’s lower the age for participation in “women’s” Olympic gymnastics to 10, just to level the international playing field. The individuals comparing the competitors to the credentials must have been intoxicated beyond description to certify these children for competition in 2008. But, I digress...

fecalito, at 4:11 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Treat them as adults

Puritanism, puritanism, puritanism and the usual campaign to treat college-age adults as children—that’s what pushing the drinking age up to 21 was, and is all about. It’s all of a piece with colleges’ now thankfully defunct in loco parentis policies, motivated by parents’ wrong-headed desire to control their children well into adulthood.

Prudes whine about the “immaturity” of college students and, at the same time, promote policies to treat these adults as children. As all of us have at one time or another been told, “treat them as adults and they’ll behave like adults.”

BTW, I’m a professor and the parent of college students.

LogicGuru, at 4:20 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

The Amethyst Initiative is about recognizing that college kids drink regardless of the laws, penalties, and risks. Underage drinking has been a problem on campuses for decades now this is a step at finally trying to address the reality of the situation. Kids go to college and they can serve in the military, enter into contracts legally, and will be tried as adults for any crime they commit. They are going to drink, get used to that idea. Nothing MADD or any other nanny-state activist advocates will change that reality. The key here is to get these young adults to understand the risks and drink responsibly. The problem is you can’t have an honest discussion with these students because of the aggressive nature of groups like MADD and the laws regarding underage drinking. I recall being in college over 20 years ago, the student leader of our school’s MADD chapter worked with the university to have education programs, hand out fliers, bring in lecturers, and so forth. She was also one of the biggest lush’s on campus. More than one ladies’ night I can recall going to one bar in particular and I’d see her and half the MADD chapter drunk off their butts and flashing the rest of the bar as they danced on the tables. I’m sure any college kid now days can tell similar stories about their campus.

The Amethyst Initiative will bring these problems out in the open. Lowering the drinking age and allowing these young adults to be dealt with in an adult and above board manner, instead of lectured at and harangued like they were still children, will encourage an environment where these problems can be addressed instead of swept under the rug. MADD used to be an organization would have embraced any attempted to educate people on the problems with irresponsible alcohol consumption, even one as controversial as this. Now it is little more than a modern day temperance league peopled by individuals who seem obsessed with the idea that someone, somewhere, might be having a drink and (gasp) enjoying themselves.

Maurice, at 4:40 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Look Outside the U.S.

The U.S. is the only country in the world with a legal drinking age of 21. I have traveled to college campuses all over the world, have lived in France, and have two college-aged sons who have done study-abroad programs in Europe, where the drinking age is 18 or lower (depending on the type of alcohol). High-school and college-aged kids who binge drink are ostracized in these countries. Getting sick drunk and puking everywhere, losing control, endangerous yourself and others—it’s just not cool. Kids learn to drink responsibly from adults (especially in the home) and the incidents of campus binge drinking are far lower than in the U.S. If you want evidence that a lower drinking age helps kids to learn to drink responsibly, look outside the U.S. to the rest of the world. Sure, there are exceptions (I’ve seen my share of drunken British adolescents staggering around the canals of Amsterdam), but if we consider college campuses and their environs, there is _nothing_ to compare with what goes on in the U.S. More rules, restrictions, surveillance, and punishments are not the answer: they don’t work. Hang in there, college presidents. Let’s try some of the rest of the world’s solutions for a change.

Kip Hanson, at 5:35 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

I agree w/ Steven Horwitz above

Steven, I think you hit the nail on the head there. It’s precisely why my grad school alma mater, Rice University, has both an undergraduate bar and a grad student/alumni pub on campus...one of the advantages of a private versus a state school, that they can do that. They figure they’d rather have students experiment with alcohol ON campus, where faculty and campus police can keep an eye on them, rather than pile in their cars and drive OFF campus, get wasted, then try to drive back to campus. I used to drink socially with the TAMU German Club as an undergraduate (including when I was under-age; I’d get hits off the communal pitcher of beer). Of course that would be streng verboten today, I suppose.

The unspoken problem of drunken driving, which is what MADD was originally founded to confront, is largely a by-product of the suburban living arrangement and the loss of walkable communities in America, and the lack of meaningful, safe, clean, efficient public transportation.

Contrast the contemporary US arrangement to that venerable community institution in the UK, the everyday British pub. You pop in for a pint or two, everyone knows everyone, and there is strong social pressure not to make an arse of yourself. Doors close at 11pm, goodnight ladies and gentlemen, etc. The American living arrangement and the long dead hand of Puritan ethics deeply exacerbates the problem. I no longer drink myself, but part of what freedom means includes the freedom to screw up and be held accountable for one’s screw up.MADD has indeed morphed into a modern day temperance league, straight out of the 19th century. Whereas I can respect AA, I don’t respect MADD. The damage they have helped do to constitutional liberties with increasingly draconian DWI railroading legal tactics is appalling.

I would like to see DWI deaths reduced as much as anyone, and the truly guilty ought to be punished, but we won’t get anywhere until people recognize it is an expected by-product of a car-dependent culture. MADD may point to European zero-tolerance laws but the countries of Europe are not nearly so car-dependent as the USA. There is literally no need to drive to a neighborhood drinking establishment in Europe, while the USA pushes things to extremes by the way of our communal infrastructure, or lack thereof. Europe also doesn’t have minimum age drinking laws, it’s the discretion of the individual bar owner, and it’s more of an informal, communal decision. America is too atomized, hyperindividualist to operate this way, or so the logic goes.

I also don’t understand the rationale banning handgun ownership to those 21 and up, but that’s a whole ‘nother ball of wax.

JJR, at 6:20 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Ohhh ... Let Me Jump On This Bandwagon

Here at the Manley household we have been engaged in an ongoing debate (not in the style of Fort Hayes State) about what’s more important ... (1) deciding who takes out the garbage tomorrow morning or (2) determining an optimal strategy that will assure world peace. As soon as one side gets at least two-thirds of the vote, we’re going to make posters and demonstrate in front of our local Wal-Mart.

At dinner one day last month, we made wagers about what would be the next inspiration for a sizeable number of college and university presidents to identify an important common ground and then make a formal public statement in support of it. Various of us guessed (i) the impending crises in global warming, (ii) creating viable, non-polluting energy alternatives to fossil fuels, (iii) establishing economic stability, all the while convincing Americans there are acceptable alternative life styles that are not even close to being consistent with the repulsive, mega-consumer society we live in today, (iv) ending the War Against the People of Iraq and creating a global footprint based upon peace, cooperation, and environmentally responsible development ... not economic colonialism, (v) creating a workable – even if it is less than optimal – national health care system that focuses attention on basic health care, not prolonging life, (vi) formulating a continuous quality improvement model for K-12 public education, (vii) redesigning, retrofitting, and repairing our national infrastructure ... (viii) a long list of other things.

Lo and behold, we completely forgot about lowering the legal drinking age from 21 to 18. As it turned out, however, my suggestion (decide who takes out the garbage tomorrow morning) was declared “closest to the actual outcome.” As Griselda Manley said, “There is nothing like knowing how something will make their lives easier to inspire the collective action of a claque of college and university presidents.”

Frizbane Manley, at 6:45 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Why call them MADD

How do they get a title like “Mother’s Against Drunk Driving".

They quit caring about driving years ago, and now believe that any drink anyone has at any time for any reason is evil.

Women Against Alcohol for Humans (WAAH) seems more appropriate nowadays.

Gekkobear, at 6:45 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Parent

Parent: “Overwhelmingly, parents agreed this was a thinnly-veiled attempt on part of college presidents to remove the drinking problem from their responsibilities list.”

So the college presidents are trying not to be responsible for how you raised your children. Perhaps you should be responsible for how you raised your children?

DoctorOfLove, at 6:45 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

The problem with drinking and driving is cars, not beer

As another poster stated: the problem isn’t the drinking age, it’s that you can’t have a drink without driving to and from it. At the University of Tennessee (Knoxville), I can imagine that students would be walking to the nearby bar strip and then walking home to the dorms or all the nearby apartments. Problems with muggings of drunken students, already an issue, would increase, no doubt. But I also believe binge drinking would go down. Maybe I’m wrong; maybe what’s true for Europeans would not be true for Americans. But the current rules don’t seem to work so well; maybe it’s time to try an alternative.

JP Craig, at 6:45 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Changing a nation’s culture is more of an undertaking than changing a rule. What does the data say? Has changing the legal drinking age to 21changed the stats?

Jack, at 6:45 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Opening the Conversation — Not lowering the age

I suspect not all and maybe not even a majority of the 100+ presidents support lowering the age, many are likely taking advantage of the opportunity to “have the conversation". When is the last time a group of leaders such as the top university presidents had a serious conversation on alcohol on college campuses, particularly the the existing binge drinking problem (largely from those under 21 years of age). This group is opening up an opportunity to have a conversation on how to get our students to live more healthy lives — not necessarily to just “lower the drinking age". Nobody signed on to lower the age — lets just first “have the conversation".

Jason, An Ohio Student, at 8:55 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

Legal Age

The first paragraph of this article has it wrong. What’s at issue in this alliance of many university students and 100 or so of their presidents is not that “if they had their way, beer and liquor would be easier, not harder, for legal adults to procure"; but rather what consitutues a “legal adult” for the purpose of procuring and consuming alcohol. Too bad these college presidents are more concerned about their bottom dollar (i.e. enhancing enrollment by attracting the partiers) than about the physical safety and the healthy brain development of the college students. Why would parents write checks to such universities whose leadership cares so little about their most precious possessions?

David Bundrick, at 11:00 pm EDT on August 25, 2008

DAMM

Has anybody asked DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) there opinion? I think they may have something to say about this issue.

Chris, at 5:11 am EDT on August 26, 2008

Let’s work together on the problem

There is no doubt that we have a problem. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, college drinking contributes to 1,700 deaths, 599,000 injuries and 97,000 cases of sexual assault annually. A group of 100 university presidents has suggested discussion on what they view as a possible solution: lower the current legal drinking age from 21 to 18. The justification for this suggestion is to educate young adults on the dangers of binge drinking and then to allow them to practice what they have learned. There is a call for the U.S. government to exempt states from loss of highway funds if they lower the drinking age. With stakes as high as the lives and safety of our children we should assume that there should be scientific evidence that this approach will have a chance of improving the current situation. To date, there is little evidence to support this idea. The most often heard defense is that Europeans begin drinking at age 18 or earlier and, through a graduated culture of alcohol use, do not have the same problems as U.S. young adults. However; contrary to these expectations, U.S. adolescents show lower prevalence rates for binge drinking than any of 30 European countries except Turkey. This is according to the “Youth Drinking Rates and Problems: A Comparison of European Countries and the Untied States by the U.S. Department of Justice. France and the United Kingdom are currently having an especially difficult time with youth binge drinking. According to the American Medical Association, there have been 50 peer reviewed studies that specifically looked at the effect of the 21 Law on traffic fatlaities. Each on of them found that an increased drinking age significantly lowers alcohol related fatalities. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that a legal drinking age of 21 has, since 1976, prevented more than 21,000 traffic deaths. A recent study in New Zealand, where the drinking age was lowered to 18 six years ago, revealed that, since then, the alcohol related crashes have rien 12 percent among 18 to 19 yrear olds and 14 percent among 15 to 17 year olds. I am in complete agreement with the 100 university presidents that it is imperative that we work together to decrease the incidence of underage binge drinking. I am certain that the Institute of Medicine (Reducing Underage Drinking: A Collective Responsibility) and the Surgeon General (A Call To Action) would also agree. The difference is that public health advocates would prefer that our actions be guided by efforts that have been scientifically proven to be effective and there are many current programs that are showing promise.If the university presidents think that lowering the drinking age would lower the rate of binge drinking and the problems it causes, it seems that they owe it to the young people of the nation to test their hypothesis with objective study before petitioning the federal government to act first and assess later.

Jim Blaine, MD, at 5:11 am EDT on August 26, 2008

Lowering the Drinking Age

I congratulate all the college presidents who have joined Amethyst in its drive to return some sanity to the issue of drinking age in the United States. I am eternally grateful that I attended college in New York when the legal age was still 18. I am eternally dismayed that I live in a nation that could make criminals out of young adults doing what young adults have done since the first grape was pressed and its juice fermented. I am horrified that the nation I live in would follow the empty-headed and scientifically unsupportable harangues of the neo-Luddites who are MADD.

I just hope more college presidents will stand up in favor of common sense, and face down their unthinking detractors.

Sincerely,

Laura Harrison McBride

Laura Harrison McBride, Publisher at Muffin Dog Press, LLC, at 11:40 am EDT on September 2, 2008

Lowering it? I think not.

I’m a high school student about ready to go into college. I’m currently 17 and in a couple months will be turning 18. I dont agree with lowering the drinking age. All we are going to get it more students getting in crashes which leads to more injuries. and what else? violent crimes, unwanted sexual activity, STDs, and probly teenage pregnancies. oh, also it will be easier for even younger kids to get a hold of the alcohol. Also, most people want to say that more and more kids drink alcohol because it is a “forbidden fruit” to them. But really kids are just going to want it even more and its going to become more available so you can switch “forbidden fruit” to more convenient like “low-hanging fruit.”

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andrew, at 7:20 pm EDT on September 15, 2008

lower drinking age

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tomcruise, want to lower the drinking age, at 5:05 am EDT on September 18, 2008

I have always been aganist the fact of the inconsistency in the age of adulthood and the age you can drink. Either switch everything to 18, or switch everything to 21.

As a college student I see first hand the partying that goes on. I also remember being in highschool and as young as a freshmen being exposed to partying. The age of 21 does not disable underage people from getting alcohol, it just forces kids to hide it and lie about what they are doing.

I do believe that a lower age could help some of the problems of binge drinking. Like many young people, the first time I drank I was with my friends. I did not understand how it would react and was very irresponsible with the alcohol. Had I been exposed in a responsible environment I could have learned the same lesson in a much safer way.

Katie, College Student, at 6:40 am EDT on September 22, 2008

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